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    we won, cant complain about that. Yet it feels more like oregon gave it away. We need to gel with this new rotation immediately or it could be an early exit in the tournament.
    Theres good, and there's ARIZONA good..
    The difference is VAST

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    Feed Zeus because he's hungry.
    "Fool me once, strike one...but fool me twice...strike three." Michael Scott

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    I think it was important to just get the W tonight. We build upon that. Really liked Pitts' game tonight. Surprised to see no Korchek whatsoever. Liked that we had only 7 TOs. Lost on the boards, admittedly, but a LOT of those were long crazy deflections. We beat them on the offensive glass, which is significant. Obviously free throws are killing us. We had 15 more attempts tonight. We make 7 or 8 more shots, it's a comfortable win. AG has to get his head straight. More than free throws, just everything. Looks completely out of whack and devoid of any confidence. A mortal freshman after all. Like to see a 10+ point win against OSU before we head out for 5 of 7 games on the road.

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    Zeus is ineffective anywhere more than a foot away from the basket on the offensive end..
    And i see AG cant make a 3, but is he also uncomfortable taking 10-15 ft shots ? They're giving him those shots and he wont even take them

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    Originally Posted by azfansincebirth View Post
    Zeus is ineffective anywhere more than a foot away from the basket on the offensive end..
    And i see AG cant make a 3, but is he also uncomfortable taking 10-15 ft shots ? They're giving him those shots and he wont even take them
    What?

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    nobody can shoot

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    Getting the W was potentially huge if the team can build on tonight. If they can't improve much it will be a short season as all games will be difficult and the team will wear down.

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    There was an article that was titled what did Arizona lose when they lost Ashley.

    There's four possibilities. Offense Defense Rebounding Heart.

    The Wildcats still have heart.

    They better get the other three back by Sunday. Oregon State will come in here real hungry. And then the Wildcats have to play Utah and Colorado on the road. I really hope Coach Miller can get them to play better than they did tonight.

    Come on Wildcats....Bear Down!!!

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    If NJ isn't hitting shots we're in serious trouble. Only guy on the team that can creat his own shot.

    And AG.... dont know what the hell is going on. You know its bad when you're missing the rim from 3 feet. Starting to cringe every time he drives the lane or shoots anything other than a layup or dunk

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    The W is great and it was really important. It is good that we have two games at home to adjust. OSU is certainly dangerous (especially the OSU vs. UCLA was really good!)

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    We gotta start knocking down some jump shots. Someone. Anyone.

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    must remember, we are somewhat starting over. We have a new starting 5 and it will take some time for them to gel.... Fortunately we have several weeks. No one but the CATS can shoot themselves out of thier poor shooting. Still think it is the "wall" most teams hit...see Ohio State, Wisconsin, Oklahoma state, to name a few. The key is to play through it and win, which they did today. Going to stay positive and not yet panic, but if this is what they look like in 3-4 weeks, then I will worry. Any win is a good win.

    GO CATS!
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    Pitts looked better than expected. Gab looks like we will be more assertive. TJ can play much worse and we can't shoot any worse. Still optimistic about the rest of the season after this WIN!

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    Originally Posted by tomspengler View Post
    Pitts looked better than expected. Gab looks like we will be more assertive. TJ can play much worse and we can't shoot any worse. Still optimistic about the rest of the season after this WIN!
    Gabe needed to be taking every single one of NJ's bricks.

    2 game's in a row now where we keep going to the guy who is having issue drawing iron, hoping he snaps out of it, and it's killing us.

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    Completely agree with you that we were starting over because so many had to start over in different positions. So many games this year were won mainly because of our Scrappyness and defensive lockdown at the end of the game. Look at the positives, otherwise we could have lost this game. Hope we take this win and build slowly to win the next 14 games.

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    Originally Posted by AlwaysBeenACatFan View Post
    must remember, we are somewhat starting over. We have a new starting 5 and it will take some time for them to gel.... Fortunately we have several weeks. No one but the CATS can shoot themselves out of thier poor shooting. Still think it is the "wall" most teams hit...see Ohio State, Wisconsin, Oklahoma state, to name a few. The key is to play through it and win, which they did today. Going to stay positive and not yet panic, but if this is what they look like in 3-4 weeks, then I will worry. Any win is a good win.

    GO CATS!
    Ummmm......no

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    Sorry if this is a dumb question but is there any way we can come up with a play that makes defenses pay for sagging off Gordon. Except for AG actually being able to shoot of course.


    Run some sort of play were he drives and a guard comes up behind him and he passes back out to the guard?
    I blame ESPN, PAC-12 Network, Larry Scott, East Coast Bias, Direct TV, Dish Network, The Honda Center, PAC-12 Refs, and Mark Lyons

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    Originally Posted by AztecWildcat View Post
    Sorry if this is a dumb question but is there any way we can come up with a play that makes defenses pay for sagging off Gordon. Except for AG actually being able to shoot of course.


    Run some sort of play were he drives and a guard comes up behind him and he passes back out to the guard?
    I think Bill Walton was right. If Aaron has the ball on the perimeter and his guy is sagging off, his instinct should be to attack toward other defenders and then distribute to the open player. Works best if its a guard who can hit a jumper.

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    Zeus is being affected by the loss of BAsh the most. When he is on the floor he pulls the oposing teams 4 out to the 15 ft mark and beyond. AGs inability to make a shot leaves the 4 to double Zeus or just simply clog the lane.

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    I know we made some key free throws at the end of the game, but that percentage needs to come up big time. Something like that will really hurt us down the stretch and in the tournament.

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    Originally Posted by Cheeks View Post
    I know we made some key free throws at the end of the game, but that percentage needs to come up big time. Something like that will really hurt us down the stretch and in the tournament.
    One guy, not multiple....NJ saved our ass from the line again. I was watching the game with a buddy who is a huge Wisconsin homer....when AG went out with that little tweak he goes "uh oh." I thought about it for a split second and actually thought that it would help the team....I can't stand watching him shoot FT's anymore, and the fact he can't do anything on the offensive end anymore is killing our offense and I see it as the main reason TJ is struggling to facilitate the offense. He HAS to make some shots in order for us to do anything worth while in the tournament. I love Gordon, but his inability to scare the defense beyond 10 ft is killing us right now. Get Steve Kerr in there to teach that boy how to shoot the ball....

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    Free throw shooting is pathetic sans Zeus. It will end up costing us in the tournament.

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    The good news is that we scored 67 points with barely drawing iron on 95% of our shots.

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    I'd like to see Gabe and Zeus run a two man game with AG on the weak side block.

    Also anyone know why Miller didn't instruct them to foul when we were up 4 and had 4 team fouls? They almost made an and one which wouldn't have happened if they fouled as soon as Oregon drove the lane

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    If this is the best they have without Ashley, there's no need to bother discussing fixes or problems. The season is over. A team that needs wild comebacks on their home floor to beat bad teams isn't one destined for a deep tourney run.

    If it were only the offense tonight, I could understand having a sense of optimism. But it wasn't. The team lacked toughness, energy, focus, and effort. They can't shoot FT's efficiently, they struggle making sound decisions on offense, and they don't make jumpshots. If they're going to compound that by not playing any defense and/or not blocking out, I'm sorry, but there's simply nothing there.

    This team isn't good enough without Ashley to take plays off on defense or make idiotic decisions on offense. It may sound cliché, but they need to treat every possession of every game like it's their last one of the season. That's the only way they make any noise in the tourney. And I just didn't see it tonight. Not even close.

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    Oh bullsh*t. Ashley's absence didn't create all the problems you mention. The team is re-adjusting. Yeah, they looked bad and lost and frustrated. That result is not due to one guy being gone. I don't know how to fix the FTs. Outside shooting can be addressed if our coach lets our better shooters shoot more: Gabe; Elliot; TJ.

    AG is one helluv an issue. When a bigman loses his jumper AND his FT he is essentially neutralized offensively if the defense simply sags off and fouls. He said he came to Arizona to develop his jumper....at this point he should consider staying for his sophomore year because that ain't happened. On the glass he makes us proud, but we all had hoped for more than just that.

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    Originally Posted by tortolitacat View Post
    Oh bullsh*t. Ashley's absence didn't create all the problems you mention. The team is re-adjusting.
    Uh, wut?? If he wasn't out, they wouldn't have to adjust. I'm not quite understanding what you're trying to say here. The bottom line is this: Since Ashley went down, the Cats have scored 125 points. Their opponents have scored 123. That's a far cry from the team that was outscoring conference foes by roughly 0.25 PPP prior to his injury. Feel free to believe that it has nothing to do with his absence. I, on the other hand, haven't seen anything to make me believe the opposite.

    Originally Posted by tortolitacat View Post
    Yeah, they looked bad and lost and frustrated. That result is not due to one guy being gone. I don't know how to fix the FTs. Outside shooting can be addressed if our coach lets our better shooters shoot more: Gabe; Elliot; TJ.

    AG is one helluv an issue. When a bigman loses his jumper AND his FT he is essentially neutralized offensively if the defense simply sags off and fouls. He said he came to Arizona to develop his jumper....at this point he should consider staying for his sophomore year because that ain't happened. On the glass he makes us proud, but we all had hoped for more than just that.
    Your "better shooters" went a combined 5-for-15 from the floor last night; including 4-for-11 from three, and 3-for-6 from the line. Will Pitts getting more PT help? Sure, why not. But then the defense suffers. There's no easy solution.

    Again, I'll say it: if this team continues to piss offensive possessions away, play undisciplined defense, and have a laissez-faire attitude towards blocking out and rebounding, it's not going to end well. I never said it was an absolute that it would happen; I merely said I have yet to see anything that shows otherwise (and yes, Stat, I'm well aware of the sample size).

    The reality to me is this: You can afford to grind out 6 consecutive games in March and April to win a championship; but you can't afford to grind out 18 games from February through the end of the season. It just won't work. The team will be spent by the conference tourney. And based on the last 78 non-Ashley minutes, it looks like that's exactly what they're headed for.

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    Originally Posted by TraneofThought View Post
    If this is the best they have without Ashley, there's no need to bother discussing fixes or problems. The season is over. A team that needs wild comebacks on their home floor to beat bad teams isn't one destined for a deep tourney run.

    If it were only the offense tonight, I could understand having a sense of optimism. But it wasn't. The team lacked toughness, energy, focus, and effort. They can't shoot FT's efficiently, they struggle making sound decisions on offense, and they don't make jumpshots. If they're going to compound that by not playing any defense and/or not blocking out, I'm sorry, but there's simply nothing there.

    This team isn't good enough without Ashley to take plays off on defense or make idiotic decisions on offense. It may sound cliché, but they need to treat every possession of every game like it's their last one of the season. That's the only way they make any noise in the tourney. And I just didn't see it tonight. Not even close.
    This This This....

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    I wish they would run pick and roll with Gordon and Zeus, we draw the big defenders outside and let Zeus take the 10-15 ft jumper. He's too good of a ft shooter not to be able to make those shots

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    Originally Posted by blinkcat View Post
    I wish they would run pick and roll with Gordon and Zeus, we draw the big defenders outside and let Zeus take the 10-15 ft jumper. He's too good of a ft shooter not to be able to make those shots
    I haven't seen zeus attempt ONE shot like this in two years. Maybe a 10 footer from the baseline, but even that I can't specifically remember him doing. Do you really think if he was comfortable making that shot (and had shown this in practice) that it wouldn't already be a huge part of our offense???? A big man who can hit the 15 footer gives an offense an entirely different element, so that clearly isn't something he can do or we would have been abusing that play by now

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    Originally Posted by bengcord3 View Post
    I haven't seen zeus attempt ONE shot like this in two years. Maybe a 10 footer from the baseline, but even that I can't specifically remember him doing. Do you really think if he was comfortable making that shot (and had shown this in practice) that it wouldn't already be a huge part of our offense???? A big man who can hit the 15 footer gives an offense an entirely different element, so that clearly isn't something he can do or we would have been abusing that play by now
    I could be wrong, but in my recollection he shot that baseline or elbow J about once a game last season.

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